![]() ![]() “The real question will be whether a reasonable person in the situation of the shooter would have believed he was under attack, threatened with death or serious bodily injury,” he said. Off-duty police, like private citizens with firearm permits in California, are legally allowed to fire their guns in self-defense in the event of an imminent attack if they’re unable to retreat from the situation, said Jody Armour, a law professor at USC. Much will depend on what the video shows, they say, and whether the investigation finds the officer felt an imminent threat to himself or others. Can you always know that in the middle of such an event? Hello no.Ĭarrying (or even owning) a firearm brings with it a lot of responsibility. The reference incident here shows us the "hidden facts" that can change everything, such as the fact that the assailant was mentally diminished. I do not like the huge increase in harm for accidental outcomes. Sam Colt made them equal" part of firearms. But, as I have said before, sometimes trouble finds you anyway.Īll of us here who use and are familiar with firearms must agree that they change the equation. In my current life, I try like hell to avoid trouble. I had to deal with this 40 years ago when I was in the USMC. We bring to situations our biases, prior training, visual clues - and unfortunately all overwhelmed by adrenaline. In real life, situations can be extremely ambiguous. In my mind's eye, I try to give myself criteria for drawing a gun. I have never drawn my firearm, nor needed to do so. Incidents such as this tragedy remind me yet again of the chance of reading a situation wrong and over reacting. There is no good to come from these incidents. Is he completely in the wrong? Well, read the two interpretations above and tell me.Īs I said before, someone other than the police needs to investigate police shootings. Do I "think" (based on a lack of information) that the LEO over-reacted? Sure sounds like it. Would this have all been better if the LEO had not drawn a weapon? Hell Yes. Two completely reasonable persons could easily be as divergent as this. _LEO: "I saw a large, muscular male, who had just knocked me down, struggling to move towards me, ignoring his parents, out of control, obviously dangerous, ignoring my commands as a police officer." _Parents: "We see him this way all the time- he is easy to calm down - just let us do our job (very reasonable and based on experience) But in a tense situation, I can easily imagine two very different interpretations of the same facts: I am not an enemy of people with mental disorders - it is one of life's greatest tragedies. One thing I saw often was that the parents saw "as normal" many things that an outside observer would tell you was "dangerous". I myself have been in the presence of mentally disturbed people living with their parents. So his assertions that the man/child was under control are just as suspect to me as the statements to the contrary. This is part of the "stories don't line up" problem.īut I do not place that much confidence in the statements of the attorney suing for $10 million - sorry. Police said the situation was “stabilized” as of 9:09 p.m.īesides Costco, the shopping center also is home to other major stores, including a Home Depot and restaurants.Hmm, we allow teenagers into the US Military. I’ve lived here 21 years and I’ve never experienced anything like this,” Rafael said. He didn’t know the extent of their injuries. Rafael said he saw six people loaded into ambulances. “We thought the shooter was going to come out and shoot everybody,” he said. He hid behind a tree with his sister and her children. He was outside the Costco when he saw customers fleeing and heard screams. Luis Rafael said he was in the shopping center to eat dinner at Del Taco. “We didn’t see anything.” Colis said they were in that area for about four minutes before an employee helped them to the emergency exit.Īs they went outside the store, police ordered them to put their hands up. “An employee came in and helped us out through the emergency exit,” Lungo said. She said her mother saw people injured on the floor. She and others hid in the room where produce is kept cold. He and his wife ran into a refrigerator to take shelter.Ĭhristina Colis, who was also inside the store at the time, said she was in the produce area when she heard six to seven shots. Lungo said he didn’t hear any arguing, but did hear roughly six shots. “I thought maybe someone dropped a bottle of wine, but then I kept hearing shots,” Lungo said. Will Lungo, 45, of Corona, said he and his wife were near the refrigerated produce and alcohol sections when he heard gunshots. As he ran, he said, he saw the shooter firing at several people. The retired Marine grabbed his wife and adult daughter and, like others in the crowded store, ran.
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